was a little bit of everything actually," Lile said. "We had a lot of
physical evidence last night -- bar stools being moved, knocking on a
door leading (to an apartment) upstairs, footsteps, disembodied voices,
dishes rattling. It was quite an active night."
who was with the Liles the entire time, said they actually communicated
with two spirits, an 8-year-old girl, and the father of a previous
owner who once lived in the upstairs apartment.
"I'm just starting to be able to talk about it," McCarthy said Tuesday afternoon. "It was overwhelming. It was unbelievable."
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story, McCarthy and Manchio explained that a sequence of unexplained
events led them to believe the restaurant, located in the historic
Journagan House at 202 W. Main St., is haunted. These anomalies included
"hot chocolate" and "cranberry juice" printing out on sales tickets
when they hadn't been ordered; bottles of A.1. Steak Sauce flying
several feet through the air in the kitchen; lights and equipment
turning on in the middle of the night when no one was there; and a steel
fire door creaking open and shutting itself.
Lile used two dowsing rods to communicate with the spirits.
work for finding water and they also work for spirit communication," he
said. "Ninety percent of the people can use dowsing rods. The other 10
percent do not have the magnetic polarity in their body to complete the
McCarthy also held the rods during the contact with the two spirits.
(Lile) said the best way to communicate is to ask them ‘yes' and ‘no'
questions," she said. "If you want to talk to us, move this rod to the
left for ‘yes,' and if the answer is ‘no,' move it toward the right.
first person we talked to was a little girl who was 8 years old. She
died of an illness in 1914, and she said she likes the juice, but not
the hot chocolate."
second encounter occurred later in the evening in the kitchen near where
the A.1. Steak Sauce is kept on a shelf. McCarthy recalled the second
spirit confirmed that it was the man who once lived upstairs; that he
was throwing the A.1. sauce; and that he likes hot chocolate.
Not only did McCarthy hold the dowsing rods herself, but she also watched Lile closely when he had them.
wanted to disprove him, so I'm watching his hand and it is completely
still," she said. "The way (the rods) were bending could only happen if
they were moved from the other end."
the Liles also use modern equipment during investigations, including
digital cameras, infrared video cameras, Geiger counters, thermometers,
digital tape recorders and EMF (electromagnetic field) meters.
don't let one piece of evidence stand alone," Lile said. "We have to
back up everything we get, either by photographic or temperature or
The EMF meters are especially useful.
believed spirits operate in a magnetic field and we in the living
operate in an electromagnetic field, and so when we die we convert
over," Lile said. "When a spirit comes within the radius of this thing,
it's either going to go to a number and hold steady, or if it really
gets in close contact it could just start spiking and go crazy, and that
means it's right on top of it."
happened early in the evening when Lile was taking readings in the
upstairs apartment where the man apparently died of a heart attack. His
initial reading was 3 gauss, an electromagnetic unit of measure.
EMF meters read from zero to 100 gauss, with zero indicating no paranormal presence.
definitely getting something and it's not manmade," Lile said. "This is
calibrated above manmade, so it won't pick up (electrical) outlets or
stuff like that. If the general magnetic field is zero, something has to
increase the energy, and when it does, this tells us. His energy is in
this room, whether it be actual energy or residual energy. It's like a
deer -- you can follow footprints."
the subject turned to a mug of hot chocolate McCarthy had left earlier
for the spirit, the meter reading jumped dramatically.
time you talk about hot chocolate, this thing goes nuts," Lile said.
"It went all the way up to 20 gauss. That's a good indication that he's
Lile believed that the spirits who are present have been unable to "move on" for one reason or another.
who dies becomes a spirit," he said. "It just depends whether they move
on or they stay. Some have something to finish and some don't know
they're dead, especially if they died in a traumatic event like a murder
or suicide or traffic accident. Some want to watch a loved one grow,
and some are attached to a certain place and they don't ever want to
Communications with many spirits over the course of the past 15 years reveal a common message, according to Lile:
80 percent ask for some sort of help -- ‘Help me, rescue me.' But some
say, ‘Get out.' We've even had an inspirational one that said, ‘Come to
me to see the beautiful bright light.'"
The Liles said they are Christians, and believed their findings fit nicely within the Christian theology.
are several verses in the Bible that refer to ghosts," Lile said. "In
one, there are a couple of disciples in a boat in rough water. They see
Christ walking on water and they yell, ‘A ghost, a ghost.' Christ says,
‘A ghost has neither flesh nor bone, as you can see I have.'
there's no such things as ghosts, why did Christ describe a ghost?
Catholics believe in a purgatory, a waiting spot. Nobody knows where
that is, but this could very well be it."
McCarthy is convinced.
"I was so freaked out," she said, "but I'm telling you, I believe."
Liles will now take all the evidence back to Missouri and put the pieces
together. Then they'll overlay it onto a history of the house and the
people who lived in it, and issue a final report to McCarthy and